They're now looking at - they're looking at the next president.

I think it's even larger than that, though. Judy, I will say this, that being the - as old as dirt and the most senior person on the 'NewsHour,' I can quote Robin MacNeil, who said, we on the 'NewsHour' never mentioned ratings, unless they're very, very good.Īnd - with Joe Biden last night, they were very, very good indeed.